it makes sense to me, as currently I have no fast way to swap toons over 8 accounts as the log off function was removed. the launcher isn't fit for purpose in its current state

Atropos, do you realise that the launcher leaks memory horribly after you've closed it? Closing and reopening the launcher 10 times will result in 10 dead processes using a total of over 1GB RAM to do precisely nothing.

Just another bad thing to add to the list.

Time and time again, you introduce a new "feature" on to Sisi, and when major issues are found by the players testing the said feature, you pretty much ignore the feedback given to you and bring it on to TQ anyway.

You always apologise afterwards and promise to do things better in the future, but surprise surprise it happens again, and again, and again. You never seem to learn by past mistakes and never keep your word about changing your procedures.

Therefore do not be surprised when we do not believe a word you say.



We have heard that so many times,

That is noted and I hope you trust that it is our common interest to make sure that logging into EVE and playing EVE is a good experience.

Please don't misconstrue what I said; I love the fact that you find it better and faster (that was essentially the point) it's just that from the tone of the forum not many people agree with your position.

I want to work with those who don't agree and find either ways to meet them in the middle, bring them around to my point of thinking or come up with an acceptable solution

What exactly is it out there doing? I'd love to help, so if you can provide some more details, I'll investigate the problem.

I would still like to know what CCP Atropos plan is, but at this point I know it either won't exist or will be bad for us.

Any updates?

Or is the GÇ£move the thread somewhere that is difficult to find and people will forget about itGÇ¥ thing working for you ?

For anyone following along, I have a few thoughts and quotes that I think highlights this whole issue.

The new SSO launcher was released May 1st, and had a number of issues on release, as well as a serie of design related issues, mostly making problems for multiboxers.
For me, the number of issues were only made worse by the replies from CCP.
From the launch to the 24th of May, I personally had not seen any CCP statement acknowledging design issues. Not as replies to me or others, as general statements or hidden elsewhere. Maybe they exist, hidden somewhere? I don't know, I haven't yet found it.
Meanwhile, CCP PR worked in overdrive, as can be seen from this and other threads.
"We will improve", "we will no longer release badly tested software unto our live servers", "we will listen", "your voices has been heard", these CCP mantras have been repeated ad nauseum in 2011, 2012 and now 2013.
At this point it doesn't take any kind of genius to know it's a lie. Willful or based on misinformation, it's still a lie.

Now, at May 18th this thread was essentially archived by being moved here. CCP Atropos did not acknowledge this at the time, but it's pretty easy to show.
May 18th: CCP Atropos moves the thread and denies it is hidden.
May 24th: CCP Atropos engages critics for around 8 hours.
June 2nd: CCP Atropos admits she has no updates since last time, and no need to continue discussion (link).
June 22nd: CCP Atropos posts a reply concerning a yet-to-be-fixed bug.

Since May 24th, CCP Atropos has dropped more and more off the radar and although we have been told that things are in the work, we have also been told that there is nothing CCP Atropos wants to talk with us about. At the same time a new Mac launcher has been released.
It has now been 8 days since CCP Atropos last acknowledged this threads existence, and that was 20 days after her then-last reply, telling us how disappointed she was.

I have personally given up on improvements. I am posting here to let CCP know that their actions have consequences, and each time they claim to have bettered themselves and have listened, yet repeat mistakes such as these, they are showing their former promises to be deceit.
I expect replies and improvements on this subject the same way I expect the toothfairy.

Good ****ing fight, CCP Atropos.

I think those that are able to log in without any issues are just using the exebin file.

I havent given this thread any thought for weeks since I have fewer chars atm plus exebin works perfectly.
As long as that ability remains, I think people will mostly let this thread stay "dead".

Last post in here from CCP Atropos was 2013.07.22. That is now 51 days ago.
I could, had I wanted to, made a 3-week trial and PLEXed it all the while CCP Atropos did nothing.

Again, I am not posting here because I expect changes because of it, but because if CCP at some future point wants to know what happened, they can at least inform themselves.

Launcher is still terrible user experience and pointless bloat that removes/impairs basic functionality.

Atropos is still pretending we don't exist and that the issue is solved.

So much for "we will listen", eh?

wow has it really been a year of this crappy launcher.

CCP Atropos hows the fixes coming on?

maybe atropos working for RIOT?

so keep dreaming about a proper solution?

Idk what you guys are doing but i have no problems launching multiple extentions of exefile and multiboxing. I only use the launcher when i need to update or fix the client.